International Territory

Would it be possible to add an option to reflect the fact that it is possible to spend time in places that aren't listed in your list of countries but which do nonetheless exist?

For example, if I spend time in the UN headquarters I am officially not in the USA but I can't currently show this in my travel log and it looks as if I have vanished off the face of the earth for a while.

The same may apply to time spent on an unregistered boat in international waters....

Interesting...

Ironically, our list of country names ultimately comes from the UN list of countries. As they don't list themselves as a 'country', and as ISO3166 doesn't include these territories, it seems that when you're in the UN, you are in the same sort of limbo as you would be in international waters or on diplomatic premises (although there I suppose you could argue you were under the jurisdiction of the vessel's flag or the embassy's state).

ISO3166 does however make an exception for Antarctica, which, after the signing of the Antarctic Treaty changed from individual territories to 'Antarctica'. See the List of Former Countries

British Antarctic Territory 1974-1979 Antarctica
Dronning Maud Land 1974-1983 Antarctica
French Southern and Antarctic Territories 1974-1979 Antarctica

Hmmmmm

It is somewhat ironic that the UN does not make provision for its own status and perhaps it is worth bringing this to their attention.

Whilst you are correct of course to suggest that when in international waters you would be under the jurisdiction of the vessel's flag (although this raises many legal questions relating to extraterritorial jurisdiction, particularly where no flag is flown), with regard to the issue of sovereignty, the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea states that "No State may validly purport to subject any part of the high seas to its sovereignty."

So I suppose it depends on what distinction(if any) you are drawing between sovereignty and jurisdiction.

Given that the Antarctic Treaty for example does not ascribe sovereignty to any particular state, it would appear that sovereignty is not a criteria for inclusion in ISO3166. By contrast, various states could assert jurisdiction over individuals located in Antarctica.

Therefore perhaps the UN should list international territory as a separate entry, in spite of the fact that once there you may be under the jurisdiction of a particular state?

Some research...

We've done some research into this... actually, the United Nations used to have the following codes in its 'Standard Country or Area Codes for Statistical Use' (1996 edition):

896 Areas not elsewhere specified
898 Areas not specified
899 Areas not elsewhere specified and unknown

However, in the current (2006, online) edition, these codes are not present (this could of course be an error).

At passportstamp.com, we use the ISO3166-3 list of countries -- they do not include a code for such places. As such, we do not either.

Thanks for your query though, and hope this continues to contribute to the debate...

the passportstamp.com team

the computer says "no" !

is it sensible to blindly follow ISO3166-3 ?

if so, justify it - don't hide behind it !

Discussed

Discussed here